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Mike, I see problems with this page.  The analogy to a computer disk is not good, even as I changed it.  The other change I made is not fully satisfactory either as bringing up reality cells, etc. does not seem to fit in clearly.  I do not see the relevance of the Asimov story.  Entropy within the LCS is reversible and that definition is what is significant to us.  --[[User:Ted Vollers|Ted Vollers]] 07:22, 22 April 2012 (CDT)
 
Mike, I see problems with this page.  The analogy to a computer disk is not good, even as I changed it.  The other change I made is not fully satisfactory either as bringing up reality cells, etc. does not seem to fit in clearly.  I do not see the relevance of the Asimov story.  Entropy within the LCS is reversible and that definition is what is significant to us.  --[[User:Ted Vollers|Ted Vollers]] 07:22, 22 April 2012 (CDT)
 
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I changed the analogy to a computer disk after it has been formatted, not before. After a disk has been formatted there is no usable information/data in the media - that is maximum entropy.
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A separate section on reality cells and how they are able to decrease entropy (versus increasing entropy in PMR) is probably needed to tie it together with the rest of the page. A compare/contrast sort of thing.
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The Asimov story is about the ultimate question from a PMR point of view - can entropy be reversed? From the little picture point of view, the answer to the story is no, not within PMR. What ends up happening is that the supercomputer (analogy for AUM) which ends up existing in "hyperspace" (not PMR, i.e. consciousness space) is able to figure out how to reduce entropy because it exists outside the bounds of the PMR rule set. It is then able to create a new PMR "Let there be light!" in a sort of "God" like way - which fits quite nicely with MBT's model that consciousness is basically a computer that exists outside of our time and space, and it is able to reduce entropy and is able to create PMR's. Does that show the connection better for you? Most of this is not apparent until the very end of the story. --[[User:Michael Saganski|Michael Saganski]] 11:18, 22 April 2012 (CDT)

Latest revision as of 10:18, 22 April 2012

Mike, I see problems with this page. The analogy to a computer disk is not good, even as I changed it. The other change I made is not fully satisfactory either as bringing up reality cells, etc. does not seem to fit in clearly. I do not see the relevance of the Asimov story. Entropy within the LCS is reversible and that definition is what is significant to us. --Ted Vollers 07:22, 22 April 2012 (CDT)


I changed the analogy to a computer disk after it has been formatted, not before. After a disk has been formatted there is no usable information/data in the media - that is maximum entropy.

A separate section on reality cells and how they are able to decrease entropy (versus increasing entropy in PMR) is probably needed to tie it together with the rest of the page. A compare/contrast sort of thing.

The Asimov story is about the ultimate question from a PMR point of view - can entropy be reversed? From the little picture point of view, the answer to the story is no, not within PMR. What ends up happening is that the supercomputer (analogy for AUM) which ends up existing in "hyperspace" (not PMR, i.e. consciousness space) is able to figure out how to reduce entropy because it exists outside the bounds of the PMR rule set. It is then able to create a new PMR "Let there be light!" in a sort of "God" like way - which fits quite nicely with MBT's model that consciousness is basically a computer that exists outside of our time and space, and it is able to reduce entropy and is able to create PMR's. Does that show the connection better for you? Most of this is not apparent until the very end of the story. --Michael Saganski 11:18, 22 April 2012 (CDT)