Talk:Experiencing the Larger Reality -- Introduction

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Created: --Darryl W. Rogers 19:48, 10 June 2011 (CDT)

I'm thinking this page should probably be renamed (i.e. moved) to something other than just "Introduction". Perhaps "Introduction to NPMR"? --Michael Saganski 08:29, 20 June 2011 (CDT)

I see your point. This was under the category "Experiencing the Larger Reality", so "Introduction" was intended to "kick off" into that category subject. However, that is not obvious on the displayed page since the page title is just "Introduction". I could rename it either "Experiencing the Larger Reality -- Introduction" or "Introduction to NPMR". I guess I will do the former, even though it's a bit long, because I am not really trying to explain all of NPMR, just how to possibly get some experiences over there. --Darryl Rogers 09:09, 20 June 2011 (CDT)

Ok cool, that makes sense. Here's a couple good thread's started by Tom that might help you with this topic if you haven't already read them:

An Orientation To Virtual Realities

An Orientation to Nonphysical Experience

--Michael Saganski 14:48, 20 June 2011 (CDT)

Those thread titles don't ring a bell -- I may not have seen them. Good to find info straight from "The Man". I will check them out and search for others as well. Thanks for the help. --Darryl Rogers 15:03, 20 June 2011 (CDT)

HI Darryl,

I am being Mr. Admin (the guy everyone hates, I know :) ) today and going through the wiki looking for stuff that needs to be cleaned up fixed and I found a couple of double redirects for a couple of your pages. Here's two links of interest:

Link 1 - The pages that have double redirects:

Link 2 - And explanation of what a double redirect is and why it's not a good idea.

My suggestion is to get rid of the first two pages and simply decide what the last page should be called. For example get rid of Experiencing the Larger Reality and Introduction and then just keep Experiencing the Larger Reality -- Introduction.

You already have Experiencing the Larger Reality -- Introduction in Category:Experiencing the Larger Reality, so from here you can add other pages (like you are already doing) to this category and start building your area of pages there and create subcategories in there if they make sense. I suggest subcategories be used only if you have a large number of pages that need to be grouped together because they all have a common theme that makes since for visitors. For example if I had a category called tree and then wanted to create a bunch of pages about fruits that come from trees and then a bunch of pages about insects that live in trees. It might makes sense to have two subcategories, one for insects and once for fruit.

Alternatively you "could" do the following.

Experiencing the Larger Reality redirects to Experiencing the Larger Reality -- Introduction


Introduction redirects to Experiencing the Larger Reality -- Introduction

I don't suggest this though because Introduction redirecting to Experiencing the Larger Reality -- Introduction is just confusing. if I were seeing on google or some other site I would surely think it would bring me to a My Big TOE introduction.

--David Mathis 16:57, 25 June 2011 (CDT)

Something else I should mention now, before it's too much work to switch everything to a different naming convention. If I were out on Google searching for things related to experiencing the larger reality with Robert Bruce I would likely search with the following keywords: "experiencing larger reality robert bruce". Google ranks higher for page that have URLs and page titles that have words related to the search. ETLR - Robert Bruce for example will likely never show up on a Google search and it's very unlikely that anyone would search for ETLR. This is why on the acronym page I redirect the acronyms to the expanded acronyms pages rather than the acronyms having their own page. I suggest using a naming convention like "Experiencing the Larger Reality -- Robert Bruce" which search engines and visitors will like more.

Please don't confuse this for picking on Darryl, I am just trying to make sure we rank and that visitors move through the site smoothly.

--David Mathis 17:32, 25 June 2011 (CDT)

I have been away from the computer this weekend, so studying your message now. No problem with your suggestions, David. They make sense. I just had a "short" between the keyboard and the chair when originally naming these pages -- titles turned out to not be the best. So, when you re-title something, it unavoidably redirects by "moving the page". I didn't like this, but thought I had to live with it.

The first pages that should be deleted are the earlier ones, as you noted:

  • Introduction
  • Experiencing the Larger Reality

I also have to rename (Move) the following pages, per your Search Engine advice, so the following five pages also need to be deleted. Please give me about 20 minutes to rename the pages below before deleting these old pages.

  • ETLR - Robert Bruce
  • ETLR - Thomas Campbell
  • ETLR - Frank Kepple
  • ETLR - Bruce Moen
  • ETLR - Robert Monroe


  • I would want to keep the main sub-category, "Experiencing the Larger Reality", which is underneath the "Home" category.

Under that sub-category, keep the following renamed (Moved) pages:

  • Experiencing the Larger Reality -- Introduction
  • Experiencing the Larger Reality - Robert Bruce
  • Experiencing the Larger Reality - Thomas Campbell
  • Experiencing the Larger Reality - Frank Kepple
  • Experiencing the Larger Reality - Bruce Moen
  • Experiencing the Larger Reality - Robert Monroe

Sorry for the extra work. Since I see that "re-titling" a page is cumbersome, I will give more thought to my titles, next time. --Darryl Rogers 13:57, 26 June 2011 (CDT)

Hey, don't ever be sorry, and it's never extra work. Any time on this wiki is time well spent IMO. I am just happy that I have a set of competent folks to work with. You guys will no doubt be schooling me on the MBT at some point (which I look forward to). I am fascinated by Tom's model but have a hard time finding time to read all of the actual books. I have listened to pretty much all of his lectures online and read book 1, while skimming books 2 and 3. I have read all of the Monroe books though, which is why I became interested in Tom's book in the first place. --David Mathis 15:03, 26 June 2011 (CDT)