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Should we make use of the convention roughly developed on the BB Forums to distinguish between a casual use of the word intent and the special use of the word Intent used in MBT? This will come up many times and we should decide on that policy up front and not need to make changes later. Ted Vollers 10:07, 30 May 2011 (CDT)

Sure, I think that would be best. I'll change the capitalization of the word. I will also change it into a link with the hopes that someone will eventually create a page explaining what Intent is, how it differs from intent, and why we capitalize it.--Michael Saganski 10:18, 30 May 2011 (CDT)

Hi Mike, I saw what I think you are trying to do with references and realized that we don't have but should be using Cite: Please read the information at this link and see the demo page I created ( as an example and test of the new Cite installation. This is the same extension that's used for references on Wikipedia.

Notice that when you view the source I make use of <ref></ref> tags to create the references and then at the bottom I place the <references /> tag that anchors all of the page's references into that spot. If you click on the references in the page (the [1], [2] etc, it will bring to to the reference at the bottom and highlight it. More can be done than just this, so make sure to read the usage page mentioned above.

We need to stick with this convention to keep consistency throughout the site. --David Mathis 10:32, 30 May 2011 (CDT)

That's a good idea David. I implemented it on this page. I imagine most of the references will be to the My Big TOE forum, so it may be redundant for me to have that listed in the name of the reference, but we'll see.--Michael Saganski 22:30, 30 May 2011 (CDT)

More reference material to be sifted through: --Michael Saganski 22:55, 30 May 2011 (CDT)

So I would use grouped references like this. One like you have it for my big toe forum references and then one for normal external references etc.. You just need to give you toe references a group like <ref group="toe_forum_references">Whatever</ref> and then the same way for any other refs that will be heavily pointing to the same place. You are on the right track and doing a great job. I added it just as a test, perhaps an acro like TF for toe forum instead of group="toe_forum_references" we use group="TF"?

Grouped references

This may be disabled by $wgAllowCiteGroups = false; if desired. However, it is enabled on the foundation wikis.

The following example generates separate reference lists for citations and miscellaneous footnotes:

   According to scientists, the Sun is pretty big <ref>E. Miller, The Sun, (New York: Academic Press, 2005), 23-5.</ref>.
   In fact, it is very big <ref group="footnotes">Take their word for it. Don't look directly at the sun!</ref>.
   <references group="footnotes" />
   <references />

Consistent references to MBT

Rather than use TOE forum reference, I would make it MBT forum reference and keep our abbreviations and acronyms consistent all around.Ted Vollers 20:20, 31 May 2011 (CDT)

What do you think of how it looks now? --Michael Saganski 22:32, 31 May 2011 (CDT)