The evolution of God?

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Q: "... how there can be change without time. And yet if some kind of time preexists, isn't that more fundamental than a God who emerges as a consequence of differentiable states?"

Some thoughts:

Yes it is. No problem there... Our {concept of} God evolves out of the primal digital sea much as the organizational pattern and limitations that represents our bodies evolved out of this particular PMR virtual reality (our local primal digital sea). Our reality is a consciousness-evolution process fractal and in such a fractal processes one sees repetition of the fundamental process within the medium of consciousness. We in turn, to extend the pattern further, create digital computers and then eventually arrive at the first tentative stages of creating virtual realities.

Perhaps one day in the not too distant future our computers will become conscious ... and a long time after that the characters (each equivalent to a consciousness computer themselves) in our virtual reality simulations will become conscious. Then, the God of that system might be running within a virtual partition within a large cloud of netted HP supercomputers. Projecting ones vision downstream is intuitively easier that projecting it upstream where it quickly reaches the barrier of "beyond our knowing". The crux of the concept is to switch from the concept of "God" to the more local concept of "our God" -- i.e., our local larger consciousness system. Remember the AUMosaurus inhabiting the primordial mental swamps in book 2? Inevitably, if one remains detached, knowledge goes to intelligent speculation goes to humor.

Why cannot the first "larger consciousness system"(which may or may not be our larger consciousness system) have evolved (through trial and error matched with fortuitous circumstances) an irregular time which would eventually, after sufficient awareness evolved, introduce the concept of intentional change. Evolution has a way of eventually delivering what is necessary to move toward states of greater organization leading to greater functionality. This nascent just-evolving crude time may be haphazard and occasional -- a new technology evolving within a digital consciousness medium to increase the way things can be ordered, i.e. a new way to lower entropy). Every "proto-cycle" would probably have a different DELTA-t.

That crude time allows change but eventually a better technology is evolved that facilitates even more ordering -- a uniform regular beat that you can both literally and figuratively count on. This regular oscillation is more like what we call time -- and would constitute the invention of time from our perspective. Such a regular beat leading to constant Delta-t would now permit the evolution of useful virtual realities like ours -- "places" where individuated units of consciousness (cells of the larger consciousness system) can more profitably interact and exchange information (what else can an information sub-systems do?) in such a way (with the proper rule-set) to speed up and enhance evolution of the whole (build a system entropy reduction/evolution engine).

The irregular crude time (might be called proto-time) that evolved initially is as fundamental as information and consciousness itself. It evolved along with the concept of communication -- moving information from one part to another -- a necessary step to crude self awareness. The dim but growing awareness that eventually evolved regular time and then sentience, followed by purposeful intent all preceded "God" which was a result (rather than the creator) of this evolution as are we.

Tom C

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